Geology Newz: The Kyoto Primer

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From what I have read, the Kyoto protocol is far to expensive for the return and there are cheaper methods to achieve greater reductions. Have you read any of this? I saw it in a Reason magazine article with an interview of the guy that wrote "The Skeptical Environmentalist".
I am for the Kyoto Protocol. They have been working on this for 15 years. I also support the IPCC. Expensive, well, define expensive. What cost is the future?
I don't think that you read my entire comment. There are other methods that cost less AND have a much greater return. In other words, other methods are available to lower greenhouse gases significantly more and cost governments MUCH less. These methods would be far more likely to get the buy-in of governments as they get much more for their money. It seems to be a matter of efficiency.

I did read it, but I say this: everyone has had over ten years to do something and some governments have taken it upon themselves to take measures, but others have been pretty lame with it, including the US.
There is no simple solution. I believe the carbon trading and such are excellent ideas and as long as you can put something like that in, you can tempt the greedy into joining as well. Not that you should have to tempt them; they should change because it is the right thing to do (but that never motivated GWB's administration, and some others as well).
GWB wants to use "other" methods. His ideas are crap. He has done everything in his power to bring in CEOs of oil companies and other shifty arseholes to suck the US dry of any ability to be self sufficient or forward thinking.
The Kyoto Protocol is what is out there and what has been worked on for fifteen years. It is not required for anyone to join; the US, Canada and the other Umbrella Group members just do not want to look bad. They have stated they are more concerned with their fossil fuel driven economies than trying to do something worth a damn. Some did not listen when they had years to do something. Now there is a way to do this, and lo and behold, some governments say all of a sudden, "Oh look, but there are better ways" or "We do not want to do it that way." It's not dirty laundry, you can't spray stain remover on it and throw it in the washing machine and it comes out all better. As is typical with the US, there seems to be no ability to make change ahead of time when you know what's coming, or even during the period of time when it is arriving. It's always, Oops, we messed that one up, let's try to fix it now that it's broken. Nothing works well that way.
Andl, as far as expensive, how expensive is messing up the planet? If anyone should pay more, it is the US and Canada. And Japan. We rode on top economically for awhile now at the expense of the atmosphere, and along the way, knowing we were doing it the wrong way.

The Bush admin isn't the ones saying there are "other ways". This is a guy that Reason Magazine interviewed. It sounded reasonable to me.

This whole mess has become so politicized that nothing meaningful is ever going to be done. It will be all posturing for polling points.
Actually, the Bush admin is one of the ones saying there are other ways. They have fought this all the way from the beginning of Dubya being in office.
This guy has nothing to do with the Bush Administration. He doesn't care for their policies. Reason magazine is also opposed to most of the administration's moves.

I get you---and we can agree to disagree on some of this. Which is what makes science fun.

I plan on going to a talk at a university tonight on climate change and the Antarctic. It should be fascinating (and depressing). Cheers.

LOL. I am just going to enjoy the warmer weather =).
It's bloody cold here and has been for a couple of months. I taught myself to knit last weekend.

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